Ken Wood (KW) felt keeping the lease as it is could put the charity at odds with the charities commission and could be breaking the rule which in chapter 2 due diligence and verifying the end user. The Charity must not put their assets under any due risk. KW felt by signing the lease it would effectively signing the charity’s assets over to the PC at the end of the lease in 100 years. He felt this is out of scope with the charity’s rules and regulations. KW asked why the clause included.
(RU) so what is the problem with the lease?
The intent was to transfer the buildings to the charity and have a land lease only as seen above. What has been provided is a draconian (Solicitor’s words not mine) full commercial lease with tenant rights removed which means that the lease cannot be renewed. A new lease could be drawn up to follow on from the first one but the termination of the old lease means that anything on the land would be transferred to the Parish Council even though it was an asset paid for by the charity. A renewable lease does not have this requirement and the assets revert to the Parish Council when the Charity has no further use for them and terminates the lease.
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It presents a number of problems
- It attempts to control the trustees by removing every possible decision they can make. Compare with independence of trustees statement sent to the charity commission assuring them that the trustees would be truly independent and the control statement which follows further down
- If the charity needed to take out a mortgage, the requirements of lenders is that there must be between 75 and 85 years remaining on the lease with around 30 years remaining at the end of the mortgage.
- Conflict with Charity Law. There are strong restrictions on charities transferring assets. The transfer has to be to another charity and normally needs the written approval of the charity commission.
If the charity signed a 5 year non-renewable lease with the Parish council, built a health and community centre, at the end of the 5 years, the building, erected using charity raised funds would become the property of the Parish Council. This would not be allowed under charity law as the Parish Council is not a charity. There is no difference in law between 5 years and 99 years. Some Parish Councillors/Trustees took the view that we should sign the lease because "they would have to dig me up to prosecute me”. This is hardly the moral high ground!
(Asked why the Parish Council had inserted the clause) Barry Warren(BW) advised it was because of legal advice. BW reminded everyone that we are a local authority so different to business. The constitution that was written for the charity means they are have no legal responsibility however Parish Councillors do have a legal responsibility. When dealing with a public property you must retain public ownership of it at all times.
(RU) It would have been useful to know what the advice was and which of the heads of agreement it responded to. BW managed the charity application on behalf of the Parish Council and made the declarations he did so how can the above be true?
Trustees answer to the Charity Commission and there are well defined responsibilities and severe penalties for not following them. If Trustees make decisions in good faith and things go wrong, there is some protection in the limited liabilities. Additionally, the charity has the full business responsibilities defined for a Limited Company.
BW and his solicitor need to understand the difference between legal ownership and beneficial ownership, the former being on the legal entry in the land registry and the latter the rights to enjoy benefit from the property. The land is and was always intended to be legally owned by the Parish Council and no lease can remove the ownership of the landowner.
All the clause does it not allow an automatic right to renew. None of the comments received have said it is wrong they have all said it is unusual. It was even agreed that the PC solicitor acknowledged it was unusual.
(RU) The removal of tenant rights is intended for the temporary leasing of property when there is a plan for the premises in the short term future. This could include demolition and redevelopment of a site.. The charity spoke to a number solicitors who confirmed that this clause is very unusual in long leases.
BW expressed concerns of the current proposals of government funding for pharmacy’s how far this will go and if the NHS will continue to support the funding for a pharmacy in Willand. However the local plan clearly shows the shortage of doctors surgery’s in the area already adding in the proposed development of 259 houses in the village will increase the need. The freehold now belongs to the community of Willand and the PC have been advised to look after the asset. The lease provided by the pharmacy is a commercial property lease which is not what we are entering into.
(RU) The asset has been given to the village not the Parish Council. If the charity had been in existence, they would have purchased the site and got on with the building of these facilities long ago.
Nick Bartlett(NB) questioned transfer of assets KW clarified that the buildings the charity and built and managed at the end of 99 years would transfer back to the PC.
BW said the PC went to great lengths to make sure that the lease was right, because the PC want to see it go ahead. In March 2016 BW sent out a document headed reality check time. Stating what should be done since then not much has happened except we have spent £27,000 of public money got a lot of architect’s drawings and then the realisation that the figures that had been put around were unachievable. BW said on information the PC has received there is no reason for the trustees not to sign the lease.
(RU)This is a flippant piece of misinformation. I don't recognise these numbers but for what we spent we purchased the site, designed the buildings, submitted an application for planning consent which was approved and then gained building regulations consent. Only then could we go out to tender. Yes, the quotations shocked us and that is because there were many new build activities in the area and developers did not want to take the risks associated with refurbishment. You could infer from the comment that the money was frittered away – if that were so, then the Parish Council failed badly in managing the process. In reality, the parish council reviewed carefully every expense and Cllr Warren was part of it. Why therefore is he trying to ridicule a Council of which he was a key part?
There was a clause in the constitution keeping the PC in control overall. There is nothing wrong with PC being charities and BW has several documents as evidence of this. If someone left the PC then after 6 months they ceased to be a trustee unless they were voted back on for expertise etc. BW has been told that this clause has been removed even though WPC was not consulted on it.
(RU) This is untrue - there is no such clause in the constitution. Comparing the statement by Cllr Warren to the Charity Commission with the statement above, I believe that he knowingly provided false information to the Charity Commission on behalf of the Parish Council.. He knows that the Parish Council is not allowed to control the Charity but states above that he built the control into the constitution.
BW said we must do what we think is right for the community. Things need to be done right. He expressed concerns that if things are not done right then MDDC, DCC and Westhaven homes who entered into the S106 agreement would not go after the charity but they would go after the PC and we are therefore in the firing line for any breaches. It was always the wish that the PC would have an office in the new building.
(RU) Had the lease been signed as planned, the trustees would be liable if things had gone wrong as it was stated in the legal paperwork that all the conditions in the S106 agreement would be passed to the Charity. Interesting that there appears to be great fear about being "gone after"
I don't know where the comment about the parish office came from! In the new much reduced community centre which we have had no sight of, I suspect that it will be a meeting room for the Parish Council.
BW questioned why the trustees moved the meetings away from the hall when they could be using the hall annex under the halls arrangement with the PC. FW said she did not think the hall would consider the charity to be the PC and the only reason it was moved was to save money as the Methodist church had agreed to let the charity use the facility free for a period of time.
(RU) What does it matter where the Trustees meet? Are they not independent?
KW said he would not like the charity to be a majority of trustees. KW read part of an email which was sent to the charity commission. BW said had been taken out of context and has since sent the whole email. The email was sent by BW on the instructions of the trustees he was only the scribe.
(RU) This is a very serious comment - "I was only the scribe! BW prepared all the documents including the charity submissions and the constitution which he claims to have added control clauses. Hardly the action if a scribe. They were approved by the Parish Council, including BW, who made the application.